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CWO
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This is why I keep a close eye on this topic and watch myself for deals on video cards...
http://www.cwo333.com/umg/sandstormfps.avi
Notice:
1. The resolution is 640x480 ... not resized, thats what res I run the game at.
2. The detail is at the complete ultimate lowest. The INI has been raped of all settings already.
3. The video card I run on is an ATI X600 so its of course, barely above minimum required.
4. My FPS drops below 10 just after spawning after the second flag run attempt. |
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mobusta1
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If you run a P4 3.2 ghz and 8800 gt will the cpu bottleneck?
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| If you run a P4 3.2 ghz and 8800 gt will the cpu bottleneck? |
course
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CWO
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| What type of RAM setup do you have? Size, clock speed, single/dual channel? RAM becomes a bottleneck usually before the CPU. |
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mobusta1
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| What type of RAM setup do you have? Size, clock speed, single/dual channel? RAM becomes a bottleneck usually before the CPU. |
I have 2.5 gigs at pc 5600 I believe, I think its low density ram so that means its single. I want to upgrade my CPU but i'm not sure if my motherboard will accept it. I know some of the p4 mb's have the same size cpu as the core2duo boards (lg 745 if im not mistaken), but I have a gateway PC and they're boards are totally different then the tradional intel boards, so I dont know if it will work or not.
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Research your motherboard before you try upgrading. Yes Core 2 processors are the same socket but a completely different architecture within. Just because it supports Pentium 4 doesn't guarantee it supports Core 2.
With that setup though, your RAM is more likely going to be your bottleneck especially being single channel. |
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Screw
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It does not matter what RAM you use, the Pentium 4 as you mentioned before is completely different architecture i.e. obsolete. (Core 2 Duo is better)
Yes, there are other factors that can slow down your machine, the biggest one is your front side bus, the place where data gets sent from your system devices to your CPU.
Thankfully tho, the front side bus is also obsolete technology and Intel plans on scrapping it in the future with their newer Intel QuickPath Interconnect.
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CWO
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His RAM clock is around 667MHz and its only single channel so it could be the bottleneck because a lot must go through the RAM too. The Pentium 4 3.2GHz I'm sure is 800MHZ FSB because I have a P4 3.4GHz so I'm in the same ballpark. Yes the Core 2 architecture is superior in so many ways to the Pentium 4 but that also may cause conflicts with older motherboards. Thats why I was telling him to research his motherboard to see if it actually will support the Core 2. Nothing worse than getting a new processor just to see your computer not POST.
I recommend the order of upgrading to be
Video card
Motherboard (because you'll eventually need one make SURE it supports Dual Channel RAM too)
RAM (Get symmetrical sizes so you can run them Dual Channel)
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Wow, thats a nice card 
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I read somewhere the 1 GB of memory is useless on a 9600GT. Palit makes great cards though so if I were you I'd go with the regular version from them. |
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CWO
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Well yes, it is true that the card is too slow to use much more than 512MB and larger memory always carries more overhead which could hurt slightly but there are also instances in which the video memory could be used a bit more and I figured that its this vs its exact 512MB model and this is only $15 more.
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